I tried searching for information on the net about the differences between Mirabelles and Plums but I just kept getting more and more confused. It was Scott who pointed out that Golden Delicious is their cooking apple of choice, currently though not historically. The Nancy type is better for tarts and eating fresh. We can always get some fruit but we need to pay attention to the detail to get a fruit we are proud of. That's a comforting thought. I'm currently trying to grow from a plum pip as I want one in the back of my garden for me and kids. The European plums you already have will pollinate your Mirabelle really well. Here's how, Easier than other stone fruits and with a variety of colors to choose from, plums are a versatile garden addition, Decadent and different, purples from lavender to plum can make a dining area a treat for the eyes. This region produces 15,000 tons of mirabelle prunes annually, which constitutes 80% of global commercial production. My family in Alsace used make eu-de-vie, open tarts, preserve and bottle mirabelles and for many years I could not find them in the UK. I'm guessing it is the aromatics that provide the kick and you get the acid from something else, like lemon juice, in your recipes. The fruit is primarily used in jams and pies, and its juice is commonly fermented for wine or distilled into plum brandy. The tree is rather badly neglected & has quite a covering of ivy. They aren't ready until sometime Sept here. I was reliably informed by the staff that it grows and fruits in the UK ALTHOUGH the person i spoke to hasn't had any this year due to an April frost which affected the flowers. « I would like to buy a plum tree. It is quite fabulous. The plum itself is rumoured to have arrived in Lorraine in the 15th century, courtesy of Duke René I, who returned from a crusade with a few stashed in his pockets and proceeded to plant them around Metz. We could only reach a small percentage of the plums and I've yet to decide what to do with them! That is a very distinctive plum but so much more finicky than other fine plums bred for our climate. Until recently, I truly believed, there really was no way of telling until you eat them. I had to blow out our whole hilly road because the plow got stuck. I have a very small courtyard garden, somehow I have to find a way to grow them in Wales. 70% of global production comes from our region. American MirabelleSmall sweet, golden yellow damson, flavor very good fresh and culinary use, season early, resembles mirabelle, but much larger. If you like Mirabelles, there is another plum with similar flavor but much larger called Alabaster, a yellow French plum also available from GRIN which is very popular here. You can make jam, compote or delicious mirabelle plum cake. Another point: remove the stones from the Mirabelle plums (I was told by wise boyfriend that they contain Arsenic). Metz makes the very best jam. I'll email you my address with the info you need. Plum is one of many favorite fruits. I also tasted quite a few Green Gage or Reine Claude this year and found it was a much better plum, apparently, when grown in absolute full sun. I have tried googling but cant find any so far. Whether they will produce fruit in my cold wet scottish garden remains to be seen but its worth a go. So the question (eventually!) Mrs. G. Due to my limited space and my unlimited desire to have all kinds of trees in my small yard, I will need to narrow my E. plum to a few. I didnt realise we call them cherry plums in uk. I didn't know they were edible until some french friends came to stay and exclaimed how lucky we were to have mirabelle plums. I'll buy all the extra things I need for proper grafting. The last simple truth is they are delicious. What would grows on you uk members recommend? When can I begin my first splice grafts? Until this year the only productive gage in my orchard was Oullins, which is strangely turning into an unreliable cropper. Picking up the windfall this morning I found a vaguely yellow one & split it & again got the plum smell. I really love this tree it produces stunning blossom very early on late February with a beautiful honey scent. Painting the frames will help too--just be sure to do it all the way around. Go to a paint website and use their room painters where you can upload pictures of your rooms or use their stock photos, and try out the different shades of gray and plum. It is a varity of plums (thatswhy they taste like them). syriaca), is the edible drupaceous fruit of the mirabelle prune tree, a cultivar of the plum tree of the genus Prunus. They are a tiny French plum that are very sweet and perfume-like in flavor (to me). In our Italian garden we have two plum trees laden with fruit. Then, as dehydrated and canned treats over winter. They are fabulous. Mrs. G. GRIN - the written sentence can sometimes be misunderstood and taken the wrong way. Thanks everyone you have been so kind i have found them on a mail order nursery and im going to order a mirabelle de nancy and a victoria plum. The flowers (like all plums) are very sensitive to frost so you better hope you dont get too many late frosts. Lorraine is the only region in the world with such a high density of mirabelle plum trees. How do you prune them? One year I used a surplus of the fruit t make a mirabelle version of sloe gin - even better than sloe gin in my opinion! I have three varieties of marabella growing in my garden in cambs and one is the small yellow variation and has been here for the past 50 years so yes they grow here very well you are welcome to some stones if you like or come and pick them. The Mirabelle de Nancy is a better fresh eating plum, but I eat them both from the tree. I think unless you live in the highlands you should be fine, especially with the weather you sometimes get at the end of May/early June. They have a perfume to them that other plums do not, which is why they are added to grain alcohol to make 'mirabelle eau de vie'. How Mirabelle Plums do remind me of pussy. That was 17 years ago. Some may have some tartness around the skin, but the most popular varieties tend to be the sweetest- at least when fully ripe, which is how folks tend to like 'em best. red one been and gone lovely fruit .. I snagged a piece of western red cedar at local hardwoods joint, and I found scrap metal from garage. The more vigorous the tree you are grafting to usually leads to the more vigorous graft if the graft takes well and is in position for lots of light. What mess. It is tedious to remove the pits but well worth the work. Mirabelle Plum Sorbet. This label guarantees a minimum fruit size (22mm) and sugar content, and can only be used in a specific geographical zone of production. Oh man this makes me so excited that I've got a Mirabelle de Nancy in the ground. If you are not comfortable hanging it yourself with shims and chiseling out your own hinges to match the frame, a skilled carpenter can help you out. My 2 year old victoria plum tree's leaves have started turning yellow and dropping... Ihave a victoria plum tree and the leaves are curling inward, Add a photo It is just that special. We have never cooked with them because we sell every one we get. I keep the three Damsons I manage very tightly summer pruned but there must be some useable wood on them I could send you. More finicky than other plums in many ways, I guess. . California wines got a bad rap for a very long time. My arms are so tired from shoveling snow. I guess I should make an on-topic comment.. one thing I found about the few Mirabelle fruits I got was they were very low in acid, and I didn't find them nearly as exciting as the Japanese plums. I do know that Konrad, way up north in Canada has grafted branches of Mirabelles. But I eat both right off of the tree and am in heaven. Superb crop here in Southern Scotland this year.The trees are in a community woodland area which was planted 60 years ago...both red cherry plums and mirabelles. The "Queen of Lorraine" produced in the orchards in the Meuse Hills can be seen out in the open air or in distilleries. as you can see we love our colors :). No precosity there! Record the plants in your garden, share your photos, and make like-minded friends. People are sad when the mirabelles are finished. We all know this. Don't get me wrong, homemade Damson jam is fantastic, but Mirabelles are simply. I found the passport data from my American "Mirabelle", and it appears it is a damson? Gave me time to write this. So, I went with the color swatches from Rockin Fine Finish. It is very fragrant and sweeter than any any Damson. But this year the fruit survived. It is like a symphony, if the pieces fall together its magnificent. They love sun and hate wind so put them in a sheltered south facing spot. good luck. Have also seen them growing (and wasted) by the sides of roads and park boundaries, which might save you buying them. I could grow them myself, maybe. Mirabelle plums are the least showy of all the plum family; not big and blousy like the Victoria plum or with a deep, dusky colour as damsons are – they are small with a … Though it is possible to grow Mirabelle plums in the home garden, true Mirabelle fruit (grown in France) will not be found in the United States due to bans on the import of the fresh fruits. Sound is very interesting, is it possible for you to load some pictures Rhonda. 4. They are that special. The tree is about 15 feet x 15 feet produces small golden cherry like fruit that are delicious. Whilst out walking yesterday I came across the same tree but the ground around it was littered with yellow fruit with a strong smell of plums. Will my Italian Prune Plum be the best candidate? Hessayon book and other publications,... ». Like the region of Champagne in France, true champagne must have the appellation of Champage, if not its a simple sparkling wine. We used Kilner jars as bottles have thin necks and it is a chore and a half to get the fruit through the gap. I make Mirabelle jam, that is as good as gold. The mirabelles always produce the most fruit. We sell them in pint baskets and always sell out. Yesterday I picked about 3lbs of plums which I believe are Mirabelle from a tree growing wild near Weston-super-Mare. Cutting open the soft skin reveals sweet amber flesh and a stone in the middle. Mrs G. why don't you try a couple of splice grafts on another tree this spring- that is a lot of plum trees if you are not selling preserves. The stars and our efforts must align. :). I have had troubles getting my Mirabelles to fruit, mostly related to planting them far too closely and not knowing how to prune them for several years. My family are all buried in the graveyard, so I would love to have one - but it seems likely to take a very long time if I grow it from a pip. The plums are absolutely delicious! It is easy to do--basically you stain or paint the door the color you want and fill in the grain with colored wax--but it looks modern and marvelous. "Mirabelle" -- the yellow plum, the prune plum, the European plum, the brandy plum -- and most definitely the sweet plum (Prunus domestica subsp. Ours drops it's fruit when small & green so they've always just gone straight on the compost & I've never got around to finding out what they were. The yellow egg plum, also known by the species name Prunus domestica, may be found in either purple or yellow and is quite common in Europe and North America. In 1990, the U.S. Congress authorized establishment of a National Genetic Resources Program (NGRP). I think you can keep the sidelight and door frame and just change the door fairly reasonably. Much larger than a cherry and even a bit bigger than the purple plums I have growing. Mike, I'm working- got over 150 feet of driveway and other shoveling to do. It is comparable to the 'Cavaillon' melon. Gras Romanesc Plum -The distinctive blue skin and sweet, rich, yellow flesh of the revered German plum selection, Herrenhausen Mirabelle, have been popular since the late 19th century. My arms are so tired from shoveling snow. I've seen plants priced at an extortionate £45. Any more tips out there? Sometimes fruit or leaves are streaked with white. Mrs. G. I planted a Reine de Mirabelle from Raintree last year. Add another photo They are a 'specialty-delicacy' plum. Have only seen them in italy. It is also relatively easy to grow and extremely productive. In fact it looked more like a tree fern! You are not supposed to pick them but rather shake (gently) the tree and catch them in a net (an old bed sheet on the ground will do, or if the tree is on the lawn then that's fine too). It is the oldest plum tree I have. I hope the italian prune and the bavay gage I've got adjacent can accomplish pollination goals. 3. The Damsons ripen quite late if you want the flesh to be amber and of maximum sweetness. Does anyone have any ideas. Wait, it may not be about he age of the vines at all. Didn't know the name until you wrote this. They show up late at the markets in Paris, but stick around longer, overlapping with apples and pears, which arrive in early fall. Then it's not Mirabelle, please post picture with size and cut open so we can help you better. The description of this plum precedes 1911. Ninety percent of mirabelle plums grown commercially are made into either jam (70%) or eau-de-vie (20%). Since then - even with 2 hard winters - it has doubled in height and is around 11 feet high!. I have tried growing Green Gage plums here in the Lower Hudson Valley and would really like to grow the Metz variety of Mirabelle plum for cooking. Interesting thread. I also have gluts of zucchini, french beans, … What Do They Taste Like? The staff there were considerably underwhelmed when I mentioned the fruit was delicious. The eau de vie a 'Mirabelle' is world renown. They all bloom at the same time. The mirabelle plum is identified by its small, oval shape, smooth-textured flesh, and especially by its dark yellow colour which becomes flecked in appearance. I'm going to have to find some next summer. Mirabelle Plum is a nice, cheerful scent that is still fresh. I do not live nearby, hope someone saves them. They grow wild in the hedges in this part of Suffolk, and at the moment are just full of fruit. I always thought they were just ornamental! All prunus species( plums, apricots peaches, etc) are prone to Curly leaf disease and therefore benefit from an umbrella like see-through covering of some kind around February and flowering time which needsto come off during the day for polination. Org in Geneva Exp Station in 1911. This year my one successful tree has produced about 10lbs of plums. Mirabelle plums look similar to apricots as they have bright yellow-orangey skins. I forget when, several years ago probably, but the RHS magazine had a feature on them, well, on identifying small plums. My dad planted it many years ago and he always referred to it as an Asian plum. Haven't you ever heared of mirabelle liqueur in Austria? If they are vinyl, that might not be the best option though. In this article, we will briefly consider what kind of plums exist at all, and then we will see what the Mirabelle plum represents. I'm in France three times a year. Therefore the water sprout will look a bit thinner than the scion where you cut to get a perfect fit. I'd love to harvest them and not just let them waste. Hi there. Mirabelle plums are the sweetest of all plum varieties. Mirabelle plums should be plump and without bruises. It is yellow and a tad opalescent, has a stone, the fruit hang down like a cherry, the branches are spikey like a hawthorn, and it is sweet and totally luscious. Last fall a Lady came looking for plums she had at a wedding reception at a fancy resort whom we wholesale to because she had never had such a good fruit. The depth of the knowledge and detail that goes into growing good fruit is fascinating. I can purchase the double bladed pruner, but where do I get the Damson scion wood? My zone is a bit warmer than yours. Phew! Tree is now about 12 ft high and has had a tough time surviving being nibbled by cows. Researchers started to breed it with other plums and new varieties came out with thicker skin, harder flesh, and produce far more but, for someone like me who knows the true taste of a mirabelle, the new one is very poor. It causes early defoliation of susceptible plums. Mrs. G. Yes,...Mrs.G is bang on with the info.I have a top grafted branch producing for around 10 years now,.. this is the Nancy, very sweet! Typically, they are used in dishes such as plum tarts as they don’t fall apart when baked or cooked. Not many people grow them, as they do not know about them. I inherited a Mirabelle when we moved in seven years ago. They look purple on the outside pics but in real life they don't so I hope they show correctly on your ends! Mirabelles are not the same as greengages as stated above. A passing gardener, from the nearby allotments, said it is known locally as a Syston plum. Hello, I love Mirabelles too - they grow wild all over Cambridge where I live. All I really don't need is another plum tree, that would make six, but I'd really love a Damson too. Other wet years my Valor plums have been unaffected in any way, still getting up high brix along with no big rot issues or cracking. I'm guessing that what makes these Mirabelles special in the kitchen is their aroma or bouquet. I have a question about my Mirabelle plums. They have had the last word in cuisine for ages. You can buy them much cheaper - Botanica and Crown Nurseries in Suffolk sell them, but you might also find them in any nursery growing and selling hedging plants. Mrs. G, I think you may be being overly generous to the French arbiters of taste towards evaluating CA wine. It is very good for jam, while the Nancy type is better as fresh fruit as it is sweeter. I hope pic portrays right. You know the ingredients, the measures and the preparation by rote. The one I have on my property produces only so-so fruit, I'm guessing because the sun disappears in the afternoon. If you still can't find what you want, consider mixing your own color from black and white paints. I use them for cakes, marmelade, jelly or many, many things you can do with plums. I brought some stones from these that I had eaten in France back to the UK. I grew up with them, so I am rather partial. Mirabelle plum cake. The mirabelle is a specialty of the French region of Lorraine, which has an ideal climate and soil composition for the cultivation of this fruit. Intensely fruity, harmonious and refined, it wows with its incomparable taste. The plums are also excellent when eaten fresh. You can do it in any color you want from subtle to bold. Well after posting I went out for another look. You may be lucky and find one in your area, if not, there are some which do mail order. I moved a foot of it off my driveway yesterday, only to find another 6-8 inches of soggy stuff out there this morning. All serious fruitnuts share the trait, myself included. Of course the fact that anyone oohs and ahhs your tarts and preserves is a given, doubt the response would be much different if you were using Valors, which my wife uses for her tarts (her crust includes crushed almond biscotti). I can see why your son loves them - good luck with growing them! Sept. plums only cracked on me one year when we had a monsoon in Aug a couple of years ago when bottom land farmers along the east coast were all flooded and lost their crops to 3 weeks of continuous rain. Still no blossom though as has only been in for 18months - but we are ever hopeful about next year or the year after :-). What color should I paint the front door? So now I am on an exciting voyage of discovery and just beginning to find out what is possible with these. ... always trying to achieve a better taste/result. Oh well. White Stag, one of the big winners at that test was only 7 years old so the vines of its winning entry must have been only 3 or 4 years old. I have not fruited Geneva 858, I bought trees from Raintree which produced green plums (never turned yellow even when ripe), they replaced them and the new ones also produced green plums, so I grafted over them. The taste of mirabelle plum. How to choose the Mirabelle plum well? Jam is a relativity low margin item, and our season ends sometime in October (depending on ripening) so late ripening jam fruit would have to be mostly wholesaled or frozen to use in the early summer (jam is best made fresh). today when walking my dog, i saw loads of cherry tomato sized yellow fruits on theground beneath a scrappy looking shrubby bush with beech leaf sized leaves. Or. They sound almost like the wild plums we have growing here. The tree we were directed to was huge and absolutely loaded with fruit. It the size is not equal, make sure the cambium lines up on one side of the scion and sprout. I am hoping they go well here but my site is quite windy. Delicous. Welcome! The mirabelle reaches maturity and is harvested from July to mid-September (Northern Hemisphere). Watching "moonshiners" on TV I was thinking of playing around with making some assorted ciders/wines (not distilled hard alcohol) . And I’d be damned if I told you. I have already collected abt 20lbs of fruit which has now gone to a colleague for either jam or preserve making, having only been in the house 4 years it is the first crop we will have harvested, all other years it has gone to waist or the birds.I do not know the origins of the variety. People love them. The hedge runs northeast, is sheltered by trees a few yards away on either side, and by a line of huge turkey oaks across the road to the NE. My problem with growing plums on my land is Black Knot disease. They are much larger than what I am reading here. My arms are tired from blowing snow. Good luck! Mirabelle Plum Jam has a beautiful flavour similar to apricot jam so is perfect as a breakfast preserve. It is nine years old and very healthy in full sun. I've tried searching the net but I get a lot of cocktail recipes which I donàt really want. ... My parents had new neighbours and on introducing himself my father was asked if he’d like any of the ripening plums that were weighing down 5 trees in their garden. Wish much of the land in Nappa and Sonoma used for grapes was growing plums, peaches, nectarines and apricots instead, like it was when I was a boy there. Hope that helps, . Mrs G I would be interested in the acidity of the Mirabelles you have eaten. A passing gardener, from the nearby allotments, said that it is known locally as a 'Syston plum' We have a Mirabelle tree which is about 12 years old in our Garden which started off by being deposited there by a bird.... and yes, we have had as much as 6lbs off ours in the past, but due to a severe pruning last autumn, we had very little this year. It is believed that the plum was cultivated from a wild fruit grown in Asia Minor. If you do get fruit it will all happen over a very short time (2-3 weeks) and you will get a LOT. 5. The Mirabelle Plum Queen Three hours in a car feels like a long time when there is nothing to see besides the grass hills that seem to roll on forever. Enjoy these amazing Mirabelle plum recipes. Can we grow them in uk? They have a perfume to them that other plums do not, which is why they are added to grain alcohol to make 'mirabelle eau de vie'. Trying a method this year reccomended by sister in law, microwave full blast for three minutes a pound at a time til ljust going soft, cool then freeze. The fruit is primarily used in jams and pies, and its juice is commonly fermented for wine or distilled into plum brandy. They are known for being sweet and full of flavour. It looks like a small , round, yellow plum and weighs around 15g. The sleeting rain has just stopped,now the snow will begin. The tree is very productive and self fertile. It was Alabaster she was looking for so she could send a basket of them with the bride and groom on their honey moon. I am interested in Mirabelle de Nancy and Parfume de September. 500g sugar to 1 kilo stoned fruit). Thank you all for the useful information. Thanks. French legend has it that 2 different varieties of mirabelle planted beside each other will give more fruit than alone although they are what the French call 'autofertile' i.e. Konrad that photograph is gorgeous!!! Do you know of any other sources for these and others? I like all of them. They are called 'tkemali' in Georgian and savoury sause made from them is popular not just in Georgia, but in many Eastern European countries, especially in Russia where mainly Georgian cuisine is used. The fruit is primarily used in fruit preserves and dessert pies, and its juice is commonly fermented for wine or distilled into plum brandy. I know nothing of wine- I'm an ale drinker. I do the basic jam: weigh the plums, halve & stone them, cook in a bit of water until tender, then add a bit less than an equal weight of sugar (depends on your taste, and how runny you like your jam) and the stones tied in a bag or in tea infusers. I think I'll give it a try with 3 or 4 varieties to start. Thanks H-man. Most paint manufacturers have tools to help you see what a color will look like on your house, although they can be some work to fiddle around with to get the masks right. In addition to excellent taste, the plant also has excellent healing properties. They are known for being sweet and full of flavour. Hooray! My wife says God sent me an angel. Mrs. G. Thank you Mrs. G for a very thorough explanation- perfumed with a mother's pride, although I trust your evaluation. The traditional method of shaking the trees is now mechanized, but the principle remains the same: The ripe fruits are shaken loose and collected in a net. However, Eau de Vie de Mirabelle has its own appelation, as well, as the orchards growing this fruit in the Lorraine area of France. Not many people grow them, as they do not know about them. Hi, we live just 3 miles south of Perth in Bridge of Earn. Recently, however, I found out that there are others around (including one in the local park - discovered when I saw all its fruit lying on the ground). So far I've never seen any cambium wounds on any of the trees I manage, but I don't manage many. 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