Origins: Dragon Ball. Even when the odds are against him, he manages to keep at it until he can’t get up. Both Goku and Vegeta train with Whis. Frost is most likely stronger than base Vegeta and Goku, since Vegeta still felt the need to use SSJ just to finish Frost off. If he saw Gohan take on Super Buu, he would certainly eat his words from the Dabura fight. In this video we are analyzing the reasons why Vegeta is Stronger than Goku currently. To add insult to injury, Goku actually puts up a decent fight thanks to his Kaio-Ken. I think a stronger, faster Krillin could manage it. Himself, Gohan, and Krillin have a difficult fight against him. | Dragon Ball Super Ep.84 - Reaction and Commentary ... Goku and Vegeta meet Beerus, Goku vs Beerus, Beerus's visit to … Krillin would destroy Vegeta. It was strange seeing Vegeta unwilling to fight and give up without trying. Until he ran into Recoome from the Ginyu Force. Vegeta beat Dodoria pretty quickly and was about to do the same against Zarbon. There is really no proof Krillin is much stronger than Vegeta was. Yeah what I believe is not that Vegeta was 'stronger than Goku', but rather had a stronger base form than Goku at that point in time, while Goku relied too much on the kaioken. There are people on both sides, but the general consensus is that Krillin is the strongest human. This was one of Vegeta’s biggest mistakes. Krillin would still destroy Vegeta at the end of the Namek saga who only was still weaker than Goku. Among Dragon Ball Z fans, there's a pretty fierce debate over whether Krillin is actually stronger than Tien. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! In the Android Saga, Yamcha was as strong as base Goku at the end of the Frieza saga. Or as this list shows, 26th strongest in the Dragon Ball world. Everytime he gets stronger, a new, more powerful villain shows up to ruin his day. Krillin is Stronger than a Super Saiyan? He may put up a good fight because of his strong will, but that’s about all he can muster against a vastly superior foe. Arale could even defeat Jiren or Beerus if that’s what the writers wanted, so Vegeta is nothing. Vegeta could not hurt her in their fight, that's cannon material, these guys could. Vegeta was not able to scratch Omega Shenron at all. That’s the thing with him. Vegeta tried his best against Hirudegarn but falls well short. He does eventually get knocked out by the Pride Trooper. I don't know how much stronger Vegeta becomes as a great ape but Krillin is the last human Vegeta wants to see as a great ape. Another Dragon Ball movie, another day of Vegeta getting whooped. It took several moments for Vegeta to finally work up the courage to fight back. It is hilarious to me that a random fat human Samurai cut it off. Hopefully, he gets a better role in the Dragon Ball Super movie. Vegeta the pathetic joke of a character. Vegeta and Gotenks don’t fight, but there would be no contest if they did. While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than enough for Gotenks to beat Vegeta. 1. Goku, Vegeta and Frieza are the three at the top. I don't think it's fair to definitively say Tien is stronger. It would’ve ended with him being knocked off the tournament arena way earlier than anticipated. In the name of fairness, this entry pits Krillin against arguably his worst enemy without any beneficial conditions. He simply can’t keep up with Whis and thus will easily be defeated. Actually, they were a little bit better since they managed to beat the likes of Vegeta, Goku, and Trunks. Then, the latter transforms into an ugly form. They do manage to survive until Goku arrives, but barely. Of course, we will try to back up our claims with a satisfactory explanation. Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku has ascended to Super Saiyan 3 something that Vegeta never achieved unless you played the video games. Why would you let Cell transform? Vegeta would not enter this fight unless he know he would win, and Vegeta was stronger than Initial Form Frieza. He even manages to see through one of Jiren’s attacks and get a few punches in. By scaling Frost should be stronger than RoF FF Frieza. That begs the question, why hasn’t Goku taught Vegeta how to use the Kaio-Ken? It was an admirable effort on his part, but not enough. 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Although he does get his moment during the final struggle. Still, Vegeta gets the last laugh as he survived and Cooler didn’t. Gohan and Android 17 next. Is Android 18 stronger than Krillin? Vegeta fought bravely, but his strength wasn’t enough to fight Jiren. His form is stronger than Goku’s too. 30 Stronger: Goku. She even forces Goku into his Ultra Instinct state which he uses to win the fight. Krillin fought with vegeta, nappa, freeza, cell, buu, etc and yamcha didn't fight nearly anybody. In fact, Vegeta’s Super Saiyan forms are usually more powerful than Goku’s, but they are always developed after Goku's initial ascent. Not that this form would’ve helped as Goku wasn’t able to win on his own either. Vegeta and Goku had to fuse in order to finally gain an advantage. Such is life for the Prince. However, after seeing his son and the others in trouble, he rushes in to help. What made things worse for him was that he claimed to be a Super Saiyan. Krillin is stronger than Yamcha at the start of DBZ. Another movie villain in the same vein as Broly and Bojack, but he’s the original. Even though Vegeta was stronger, there was nothing he could do about immortality. Is Vegeta stronger than Goku anymore? Vegeta gets angry after Beerus slaps Bulma and becomes stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Super Saiyan 3 Goku wasn’t enough, so Vegeta wasn’t going to stand a chance. Could mean a lot of things though, it could have been an offhand comment to Toriyama. He may have been beat, but he fought with gusto. After beating Dodoria and Zarbon, Vegeta was feeling pretty confident. Alright, gonna do some math and estimation that starts with one fact. It seems one-sided, as Vegeta is always vowing to surpass Goku, but the truth is: Vegeta was stronger than Goku in their first encounter. On his own though? Vegeta also launched a rage-fuelled attack against Super Perfect Cell. And since he was already in Other World, he would’be had nowhere else to run. Which is fair considering Goku had to resort to another Spirit Bomb. However, later on, they seem to have disappeared completely, making the inside of his eyes the same color as his skin. It all culminated with a powerful kick that dislocated Vegeta’s arm and probably broke a few bones. Two Super Saiyan 4 warriors weren’t enough to take this guy down. Next the other Z-fighter had training from Kaiosama where only Krillin got a power boost tha was not enough to fight the Ginyu Force but afterwards he trained, suppasing Yamcha, and equal to Tien without Kaio's training. Vegeta was completely destroyed after Freiza's numerous transformations. Oozaru Vegeta clocks in at 180,000 so unless Krillin cuts his tail, which he failed to do in the Saiyan Saga, he'd lose. However, that doesn’t mean he’s excused from getting wrecked by some of the other characters. He had just finished destroying Android 19 and was full of confidence. Vegeta was kind enough to put him out of his misery. Georgie-Porgie: 11: 12/17 8:07AM: This review tears Vegeta a new one. This is Vegeta’s life story in a nutshell. You are indeed where you belong. The only concession he gets was that Goku was right there beside him getting beat as well. Vegeta fought against several forms of Majin Buu and it always ended with his loss. He struggled against Fat Buu and resorted to blowing himself up. Goku Black was just Zamasu in Goku’s body. Not only is Whis strong, but he’s able to react without thinking. With these hypothetical comparisons, it’s hard to definitely say that Vegeta would lose. Zamasu had an unfair advantage since he wished for immortality. If Vegeta challenged Cooler by himself, the only guarantee was going to be his defeat. He also gained the strength needed to leave Vegeta on the verge of perishing. While he does sway the final struggle in Gohan’s favor with a Ki blast, there’s no forgetting his huge loss. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. He would easily win a battle against Vegeta since his strength surpasses that of a Super Saiyan 3. In DBZ it was stated that Krillin was the strongest human fighter. Why not start things off with the most obvious entry? Krillin is above Yamcha, but not by enough to matter for this logic train. Ultimately, it was the power of fusion that allowed Goku and Vegeta to win. Krillin can't be stronger than Tien. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. A divisive entry, but still a valid one. More: Dragon Ball Super's Gohan Is Much Stronger Than You Think However, it’s clear that Android 18 is still by far stronger than Krillin as she is shown to be worried about him and the episode (84) makes it clear that she is still significantly stronger than Krillin. Krillin From Dragon Ball Z The Tournament Of Power. Vegeta strives to surpass Kakarot. In DBS, he is living a peaceful and carefree life. The pink blob survived the attack and lived to fight another day. Vegeta was still stuck on Super Saiyan 2 and weaker than Fat Buu. Topic Archived; Page . Vegeta was so shocked at first, he completely lost the will to fight. He'll come close, but, ultimately, there's no contending with a Main Character. He was able to beat them with one hit per Cell Junior. Taking a look at Krillin’s performance in the … New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Via imdb.com. He gets hit with a fairly powerful attack. Back to Vegeta. Or was Gohan's peak of power also at the same time as Krillin because his potential was unlocked as well? Perhaps Vegeta himself is too proud to accept such help in the first place. Vegeta and Gotenks don’t fight, but there would be no contest if they did. Vegeta is quite lucky he didn’t have to fight Kefla. Now, the question is, can Arale beat King Zeno as well? Krillin along with his long time friend Goku went through some intense training at a very young age in Dragon Ball. It was sad watching him get beat by Frieza after making such a bold (and incorrect) claim. Androids 18 and 17 are both human, and both stronger than Krillin. However, we’ve chosen characters that are much stronger than him. And yet he found a way to buy Goku enough time to charge a Spirit Bomb. For this category, it’s only fair to consider Vegeta’s strength at that time. He is not really a baby!!! Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but the Prince of all Saiyans deserves a little better. In fact, this is probably one of the biggest debates among fans today. The fight doesn’t last long since he completely outclasses Vegeta in every regard. At this point, it’s fair to say that Vegeta would’ve lost even if he mastered Ultra Instinct. But that was quite a long time back. According to Akira Toriyama (the creator of the series), Krillin is the strongest human. He stomped semi-perfect Cell but stood no chance against the Perfect form. While there is a 30-minute time limit, that’s more than enough for Gotenks to beat Vegeta. He even unlocks a new power-up for his Super Saiyan Blue transformations. Both Zamasu and Goku Black were able to outclass Vegeta. Krillin is way stronger than the Vegeta that is trying to bust the planet against Goku. This might even bring back memories of when a Great Ape Gohan stomped Vegeta. Usually, something happens to prevent them from coming to a conclusion. So it wasn’t all bad for Vegeta, but he’s still no match for the shadow dragon. He does manage to save a bunch of people from a wayward blast from the beast. However, Beerus was only having fun. It happens again in the Android Saga when Android 18 shows up after he blasts Android 19. For comparative standards, we are comparing all moves to Vegeta's use of the Final Flash against Perfect Cell before the Cell Games. These are the most obvious entries as they have clearly managed to defeat him in combat. Out of the 25 fighters most have indeed managed to beat Vegeta in a fight. But Krillin was the only person that could have killed Nappa if not for Vegeta's inteference. In contrast, Vegeta During the Saiyan saga has a base power level of 18,000 and 180,000 in great ape form. I think Toriyama also called Krillin the strongest human at some point. There is no denying that Vegeta is one of the strongest characters in the Dragon Ball franchise but there are at least 25 fighters who are stronger! In the Android Saga, Yamcha was as strong as base Goku at the end of the Frieza saga. At this point, he is yet to attain the Super Saiyan 4 transformation, so he’s not able to match Super Android 17. Krillin beats Kaguya. Krillin stomps. Against Kid Buu, Vegeta was thrown around like a doll. Even though he did have to team up with Goku to do it, Vegeta played an integral role in the battle. And Vegeta gets demolished with ease. I don't really care a whole bunch for this Tien and Krillin debate but the latter is clearly the stronger of the two. If Super Saiyan 3 wasn’t enough, then Vegeta was never going to put up a good fight. Once the hero has outgrown their "Krillin," or the weaker "best friend" character, it's time for the Vegeta to step up to the plate. It’s only because of Gohan that they made it out alive. Piccolo; Hell yes, when he fused with Kami he was able to fight Android 17 evenly, who is stronger than 18; who wrecked Super Sayain Vegeta easily. At this point, Vegeta is dejected and has given up on fighting. He turned out to be stronger than expected and was even the last man standing at the Tournament of Power. However, once the fusion was over, so was their ability to fight back. Gotenks is able to transform into a Super Saiyan 3. Krillin. Including the self-proclaimed strongest in the world. Of course, we all know how the rest of the story goes. Super Android 13 wrecks the entire Z-Fighters squad and leaves them all on the brink of perishing. He has also become quite rusty due to this as he has “apparently" stopped training. However, he uses up too much energy and falls unconscious after saving many lives. If Vegeta doesn't go Oozaru then Krillin is way too strong for him, if he does however Krillin probably can't win. History Talk (0) Comments Share. Android 18: Wait a minute! He could barely stand up against him. He isn’t able to fight back at all. I don’t blame him as Goku had to use his Super Saiyan 3 form to finally win. Though seeing as how Roshi did wreck Tien then it should be him. It’s unfair, but the fact is Zamasu can now beat Vegeta, despite being weaker. Do you have any sources for this, because I can tell you this is definitely not a fact. 1. Krillin's last known power level was 75,000 which was after he had his potential unlocked, thus nearing the peak of his power. Baby Vegeta is a stupid name. She completely humiliated him and was far too powerful. Oh, Vegeta. Which really puts into perspective Vegeta’s lack of power during the Cell Games. Does that mean that Goku's peak of power is only in the hundreds? But when it came to the final boss, he didn’t stand a chance. This allows him to move at extremely high speeds and dodge most conventional attacks. Again I did not say he was stronger than Tien. They both attack at the same time but to no avail. Her overwhelming strength catches Jiren’s attention during his meditation. 2 words...senzu beans. Yet, he somehow managed to surpass the real Goku and Vegeta. Of course, it was unrealistic to expect Vegeta to beat Jiren. While there are many moves weaker than the great planet-destroying technique there are also a few stronger as well. However, that's not an accurate representation of his power. Each Cell Junior was about as strong as a Super Saiyan. He possibly becomes stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta after his fat namek guy buff. Vegeta gets a power boost after the battle and gets his revenge against Zarbon. Here are five moves stronger and five moves weaker than Vegeta's Final Flash. This fight catches Vegeta at a bad time. He could’ve easily won the fight had he decided not to do that. ssgvegeto 2 years ago #2 Krillin was always stronger, but Tien's Tri-Beam could stun Krillin because Tien managed to stun Semi-Perfect Cell despite the huge power gap. After tanking Vegeta’s attacks, he launches a counterattack. He somehow managed to live and heal himself. Is Vegeta not actually a SSB and DBS is his dream of getting strong because his power was drawn past his limits by Babidi? That would make the fight a cakewalk for Gotenks. It’s almost as if Akira Toriyama enjoys writing Vegeta as a bit of a gag character from time to time. Vegeta was stronger than the base form of Android 13, 14, and 15. We’re going to consider two main factors. As strong as he is, Android 17 won't quite be at the level of characters like Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza. Press J to jump to the feed. This puts Krillin stronger than third form Frieza and base Goku at the end of the saga, putting Krillin's power level above 3,000,000. To Vegeta’s credit, he does put up the best fight out of the Z-Fighters (minus Goku). Krillin is not naturally bald; due to his original monastic training, he merely shaves his head and waxes it. Vegeta and Goku try to attack Jiren together and it ends really badly for both of them. Hit and Vegeta battle during the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 arc. I disagree. Android 18. Bojack’s strength would be close to that of Perfect Cell, putting him above Vegeta’s league. There’s no way Vegeta would’ve lasted long against Meta-Cooler without Goku. It wouldn’t be right to compare Cell Saga Vegeta with Saiyan Saga Goku. Now, you should be reminded that the prisoners from the Moro corps (so likely weaker than those Tien and Krillin are fighting) after being powered up, were able trade blows with Base Goku and Vegeta, and then 2 of them went also against SSJ Goku enad SSJ Veggy (albeit they were drained). Vegeta thinks too much before attacking which reduces his speed and efficiency. There’s no doubt that Vegeta is one of the strongest fighters from the Dragon Ball franchise. It’s evidence of his astounding spirit and determination. He could be seen chilling at home watching TV, which is strange for the Saiyan. He was able to hold his own during Frieza’s base form, but after that, it was all downhill. When Gohan gets his potential unlocked, he instantly becomes the strongest fighter in the Majin Buu arc. 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